Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

Def: Tacking (to Tack)

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Angelo Guarino
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I thought this deserved its own thread.

Seems many feel that tacking or to tack includes bearing off to a close-hauled course.  Personally, given "room to tack" was in def: mark-room all those years could not have meant that ...at least in that context (I hope we aren't saying that "room to tack" meant one thing in def:MR and another in RRS 20).

Anyway ... why endure this mystery?  Can't we have a clear definition of this term since it's so basic?

Here's my proposal (draft submission). Upon examination, there are 2 different styles of defining verbs in Definitions.  We have fetching and racing, and then we have start and finish, each pair phrased in a similar way. I decided to follow-suit with the fetching/racing style .. but maybe following start/finish could be clearer. 

Please make suggestions or comments. 

Tack, Starboard or Port; [Tacking/to Tack]
A boat is on the tack, starboard or port, corresponding to her windward side. [A boat is tacking from the moment she passes head to wind until she is on a close-hauled course.]

Then RRS 13 can be simpler (if one wanted to leverage the term). 

13. WHILE TACKING
After a boat passes head to wind, she shall keep clear of other boats until she is on a close-hauled course[While tacking, a boat shall keep clear of other boats.] During that time rules 10, 11 and 12 do not apply. If two boats are subject to this rule at the same time, the one on the other's port side or the one astern shall keep clear.


The benefit ... clarity in the use of the term and clarity in "room to tack"
Created: Fri 11:14

Comments

Kett Cummins
A better definition title might be, 'Tack, on a Tack (Starboard or Port) or Tacking (to Tack)'

Or it might be clearer to split the noun & verb into two separate definitions.

Kett
Created: Fri 12:29
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Angelo Guarino
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Here is a slight change ... added the word "after" as in "...moment after ...".

Tack, Starboard or Port; [Tacking/to Tack]
A boat is on the tack, starboard or port, corresponding to her windward side. [A boat is tacking from the moment after she passes head to wind until she is on a close-hauled course.]
Created: Fri 13:23
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Niko Kotsatos
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The biggest (only?) issue I have with defining this term is a pretty silly one, but I can't figure out how to get around it.

In at least two rules the word tack is used twice with different meanings:
18.1a2: between boats on opposite tacks when the proper course at the mark for one but not both of them is to tack,
20.1 A boat may hail for room to tack and avoid a boat on the same tack by hailing ‘Room to tack’
Notice that one use is italicized, but the other is not. If you define the verb, bothe would be. Then you run into an issue where the same defined (italicized) word can mean two different things depending on context. Slightly easier where the rules are worded with "tacking" instead of "tack" but the point stands.
Created: Fri 14:08
Mark Evans
Nationality: Canada
We change tack in two ways.
We Jibe, when passing the stern through the wind.
Could we define and use the phrase " coming about" when referencing passing head to wind?
Created: Fri 14:24
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Angelo Guarino
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Niko ... I don't think there is an issue with either of the case you bring up.  Let's look at them.  

18.1a2: between boats on opposite tacks when the proper course at the mark for one but not both of them is to tack,

I can't think of very many scenarios where the proper course for a boat would be to sail just past HTW and not continue down to at least close-hauled.  So I think we are good there. 

20.1 A boat may hail for room to tack and avoid a boat on the same tack by hailing ‘Room to tack’

That's why I put "to tack" in the definition alongside "tacking".   The option there would be to italicize both "to tack" or just "tack" and let the "to" guide to the verb definition. 

This brings up the benefit of the other verb-style .. used in "start" and "finish".  In those styles, the phasing is "A boat starts/finishes/tacks when, .."

I thought of a couple approaches using that style. 

One would be say (noun) and (verb).  

Tack (noun), Starboard or Port; To Tack (verb)
A boat is on the tack, starboard or port, corresponding to her windward side. [A boat tacks when, she passes head to wind and she continues to tack until she is on a close-hauled course.]

You can see above it incorporates both tacks and "to tack".  I'm not sure that's clearer.   I think I like the first one better. 
Created: Fri 20:34
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Angelo Guarino
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Mark .. yea .. we can change tacks by "tacking" or gybing.  The verb to tack is always through passing HTW and is universally understood to include that "passing HTW" component.  The question is whether it includes more or not.  This is an attempt to clarify that issue. 
Created: Fri 20:40
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Greg Wilkins
Nationality: Australia
I guess the issue (probably in both current and proposed wording) is that "to change tack" is something that happens instantaneously as soon as the boat passes HTW or gybes.   However "to tack" is something that takes time, and involves the state of "tacking".   Would it be worthwhile clarifying this by saying in the definition something like A boat is tacking from the moment they change tack by passing head to wind, until they are on a close-hauled course.

Another interesting case is a boat that passed HTW, but never gets down to close hauled, but instead passes back through HTW.  In this case are they still tacking when they are back on the original tack?    I think so as they have effectively tacked twice but not completed the second tack. Thus perhaps this could be clarified with:

A boat is tacking from the moment they change tack by passing head to wind, until they are on a close-hauled course on either tack

Edit: added "change" that I thought was there
Created: Fri 21:46
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Angelo Guarino
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Greg I wouldn't want to self reference the term in its own definition.

Regarding a boat changes tack instantaneously .. yes .. that's correct.  In that use, tack is the noun form and "change" is the verb ...  so not a problem and that change of tack can be done doing passed HTW or gybing the main. 

We use these terms easily all the time, intermixing the noun and verb forms. 

The bigger question is whether or not this is the actual correct definition.  That "to tack" includes coming down to close-hauled. 
Created: Fri 21:59
Philip Hubbell
A boat's pronoun is SHE.
Created: Fri 22:45
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Greg Wilkins
Nationality: Australia
I don't think it is self referential. The previous sentence defines tack. The second sentence defines tacking using the definition of tack.

Since tacking refers to the verb form and tacking end at close hauled, then "to tack" must be the long form and not the instantaneous "to change tack". I think my proposed form of words is technically not necessary, but makes that distinction clear but using the phrase "change tack" described as a moment.

As for pronouns, either there plural or singular works and the choice of either doesn't require anybody to SHOUT any anybody else!

So I still like:

A boat is on the tack, starboard or port, corresponding to her windward side. A boat is tacking from the moment she changes tack by passing head to wind, until she is on a close-hauled course on either tack.




Created: Fri 23:24
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Angelo Guarino
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Greg ... I must have read it wrong.   I could have swore you had something like "the boat tacks" ... sorry about that. 

Anyway ... putting in "change tacks" is unnecessary as that happens automatically when a boat passes HTW .. so it's redundant. 

I've interfaced with the Rules Comms with different (insert hair brain) proposals of mine over the years and they are reductionists at heart.  They trim and trim until only what is necessary is there. 
Created: Fri 23:40
Rob Overton
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The definition proposed by Angelo was in the RRS until we simplified the rules in 1997.  In favor of the proposed definition is that it simplifies rule 13; against it is that it adds yet another definition, and produces two different meanings for an ordinary nautical word. 

For historical perspective, there were two main reasons why the proposed definition of "tacking", meaning being past head to wind and not yet on a close-hauled course, was removed from the RRS in 1997:  (1) We had a general principle that if a definition only applies to one or two rules, and the concept can be stated briefly, it's better to have the words in the rule itself than in a definition; and (2) More importantly, we try to have definitions that refine the ordinary meanings of words, rather than imposing some artificial meaning*.  That allows the reader to get a good idea of what a rule says without referring to the definition; once they have that idea, they can read the definition and refine their understanding.  In ordinary terminology, "tacking" is the maneuver that begins with luffing up above close hauled, then passing head to wind, and then bearing off to a close-hauled course.  For example, if you're crewing on a racing boat and the skipper says, "Tacking in 3, 2, 1 ... Tacking", they're not talking about when they will pass head to wind -- they're talking about when they will put the helm down to ... well, tack.

The verb "tack" and the noun associated with it are used several times in the RRS, and in the Case Book and Call Books, with the ordinary meaning.  For example, match-race Call N6 says that says a boat that passes head to wind and then goes back through head to wind is not tacking, because "tacking" means going from close-hauled on one tack to close-hauled on the other. 

The proposed definition is, in my opinion, a step backwards, and not desirable.  If we were to have that definition, we would never be able to know what a person means when they say a boat is tacking -- does that mean the boat is tacking, or that she is tacking?  

*We don't always succeed, as shown by the definition Obstruction, which does not require that the defined object obstructs anything.  
Created: Yesterday 01:47
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Greg Wilkins
Nationality: Australia
Angelo, 

I totally agree that it is technically redundant.  However, I believe that it is not functionally redundant, as it adds clarity by using the noun and verb form in the same phrase.  Specifically it illustrates the key difference between "changing tack" (a momentary thing) and "tacking" ( a prolonged state).     Note that you cannot just say "change tack" there because you can "change tack" by gybing.   So it adds further clarity expanding that you do not need to tack in order to change tack.    But yes it could be reduced to:

A boat is on a tack, starboard or port, corresponding to her windward side. A boat is tacking from the moment she passes head to wind, until she is on a close-hauled course on either tack.






Created: Yesterday 01:49
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Angelo Guarino
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Thanks Rob.  As you might have followed from the previous thread, the genesis of this def: tacking exercise was "room to tack" in RRS 20. 

Until this year, the phrase "room to tack" was both in def: MR and RRS 20.   Now it's only in RRS 20.  (it being in def:MR and the fact that MR turned off after passing HTW created confusion of the meaning of the term).

So, what is "room to tack"?  Now that it's out of def:MR, the questions introduced by its presence there are no longer an issue. 

I think there is still ambiguity in that phrase. Maybe it doesn't need a def ...but how about proposing a Case to add clarity?

Here are simple Facts/Q's/A's.  

If "to tack"/"tacking" .. .
' .... is the maneuver that begins with luffing up above close hauled, then passing head to wind, and then bearing off to a close-hauled course' ....

 ... how do we answer Q1, Q2, & Q3?

Facts:
  1. 2 boats (W/L), overlapped, on a port-tack beat to weather, 1 boat width apart, approach a breakwater.
  2. L hails "room to tack"
  3. W hails "you tack"
  4. L initiates her tack before W and passes HTW before W
  5. After both boats pass HTW, but before L reaches a close hauled course L's starboard bow makes contact with W's portside toe rail.  
  6. There is no injury or damage. 

Q1: 
  1. Is L exonerated for breaking RRS 13 and 14 based on the conclusion that she was sailing within her "room to tack"?
  2. Does W break RRS 20.2(c) and is unexonerated?

A:???

Q2: what if L had to pause her turn just past HTW to avoid contact with W, and came to a near stop ..  and then protested W.  Can W successfully claim that she gave L "room to tack and avoid her" based on the fact that L eventually reached close-hauled and avoided her?

A:????

Q3: what if the contact happens before L reaches HTW, is she sailing within her "room to tack" and therefore is exonerated for breaking 16.1? (if "to tack" includes the maneuver that begins with luffing-up ... ")

A:???
Created: Yesterday 10:04
David Taylor
Nationality: Australia
Nice work Angelo for separating this question out.

Niko, I like your thinking when you say:
In at least two rules the word tack is used twice with different meanings:
18.1a2: between boats on opposite tacks when the proper course at the mark for one but not both of them is to tack,
20.1 A boat may hail for room to tack and avoid a boat on the same tack by hailing ‘Room to tack’

However, I am surprised that no one has gone back to their basic English grammar classes at school. As used in your examples the italicised 'tack' and 'tacks' are both nouns. In the other two cases where the word is used in the infinitive form of the verb ... 'to tack'.

From the Oxford English dictionary we are reminded of the many forms of the word:
  • noun: tack; plural noun: tacks
  • verb: tack; 3rd person present: tacks; past tense: tacked; past participle: tacked; gerund or present participle: tacking

We could just go back to language basics and define "tack (n)" and "tack (v)" separately in the definitions which would ensure that all of the different noun and verb forms are covered by the appropriate definition. I note that 'tacking' is an interesting one in that it can be both 'gerund' or a 'present participle' although I sincerely hope no one's brain is bleeding as a consequence of this thought.

Then I look at the definition of 'Start' a couple of lines above and wonder is this the noun or the verb? It is clearly a verb but when we talk about the 'start' in our SIs it is generally a noun. Ho hum!
Created: Today 03:17
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