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• Language language language
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  Michael Moradzadeh Sat 06:09
• Why is the "red flag" needed?
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  Angelo Guarino Fri 21:38
• Case 104 - Appeals to a National Authority
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  Jerry Thompson Thu 15:23
• Which way to cross finish line where course altered by land?
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  Michael Moradzadeh Tue 17:35

• Judges walking the Dock
  John S re: the colossal wate of time ...
  
  In my recent red-flag thread, I wrote this comment about times when invalidity seems ridiculous to the parties ...  which I think is part of it.
  
  At the heart of that thread is the same issue as this one: Lack of even rules enforcement across the race course. A disrespected protest-system is only one brick in that wall.
  
  Many, many years ago, I wrote a very long post that tried to examine what I saw as some of the other root causes; which i saw as internal in nature to the competitor. It was titled:
  
  “I owe you one”, “Was MY score effected?”, “Not-Worthiness” and “Stigma”; Four Mindsets Eroding Fair-Sailing in Club-Level Racing.
  
  My thesis (and it seems Robert's in this thread) hasn't changed since I wrote it. These factors, and the impression that the protest process isn't worth the time and effort, result in the rules applying to some but not others on the water resulting in an uneven playing field. 
  Angelo Guarino Today 13:07
• Why is the "red flag" needed?
  David re: Should [the BP's] be numbered rules
  
  The WS RulesComm actually took it the opposite direction in the last quad, removing them from being a rule as they were in previous quads 
  
  Def: rule(a) - 2025

  "The rules in this book, including the Definitions, Race Signals, Introduction, preambles and the rules of relevant appendices, but not the Basic Principles or titles;"

  Angelo Guarino Today 12:39
• Language language language
  Thank goodness this isn't a high-stakes contract, or we'd be in court forever.  But as Michael says, this distinction between "shall" and "will" isn't just from the RRS; it's standard contract language.  If you issue a contract to somebody to replace your roof, the contract you make with the roofer might say "The owner will give the roofer access to the property from [such date to such date], and the roofer shall complete a new roof on or before [such date]."  There are lots of rules in the RRS and in the NoR and SIs binding race organizers, and obviously many of them aren't enforceable because there's no penalty you can apply to those people for breaking rules.  As for redress, that depends.  To be successful, a boat requesting redress has to convince the PC that her score was made significantly worse by the failure of the race officials to follow their own rules.  In many cases that's not true (e.g., "There will be a mandatory competitors meeting at 0900 ..." and the meeting isn't held until 0930), but in other cases, it might be true ("The first mark will be a yellow inflatable buoy" and the RC uses an orange buoy, then the first boat rounds a nearby yellow buoy instead and fails to sail the course).
  Rob Overton Today 01:05
• Case 104 - Appeals to a National Authority
  additional facts can be drawn from agreed diagrams.
  
  
  Michael Butterfield Thu 16:02
• Which way to cross finish line where course altered by land?
  The change of direction to finish may be due to the nature of Case 82. If the SI's clearly write this, then there is no questions or arguments.
  Kim
  Kim Kymlicka Wed 02:44

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