• Three CV's on a long starting line
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  John Standley Today 12:58
• Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?
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  Beau Vrolyk Today 10:33
• Rule 18,2 (e) Reasonable Doubt
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  John Quirk Sat 03:21
• When is an entry an entry?
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  Paul Kimmens 26-Jan-12 14:17
• Fix for RRS 60.4(a)(2) – Validity
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  Paul Zupan 26-Jan-11 20:12

• Pondering Rule 3 - Are Race Officers and Organizing Authorities Over-Reaching?
  Well, I wanted to pile on here, but it's already been pretty well stated. The RO has the final obligation to decide whether to start and continue a race. They are not obligated to start one if it's not reasonably safe, fair, etc. In my view, they SHOULD not start a race if danger looms. It gets dicey, I think, if the race would be unsafe for only one or two out of dozens....  Then what?
  Michael Moradzadeh Today 15:08
• Three CV's on a long starting line
  In the Star class we have used a system with a RC vessel in the middle and boats in each end of the line
  
  The following wording has been used:
  
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  11.4 The starting marks will be the RC Signal boat at the center, a boat at the starboard pin end
  and a boat at the port pin end.
  
  12.3 The starting line will be between staffs displaying orange flags on the starting marks, which
  will consist of three (3) RC boats: port end line boat, mid-line Signal boat and starboard end line
  boat. It will consist of two segments – one between the port end line boat and the mid-line Signal
  boat and the other between the starboard end line boat and the mid-line Signal boat.
  12.4
  

  

  
  
  12.5 When RRS 30.1 (I flag rule) is in effect, boats subject to this rule shall thereafter either:
  (b) sail from the course side across an extension of the starting line beyond either the portend line boat or starboard-end line boat to the pre-start side of the line
  or
  (b) round the mid-line Signal boat before starting, leaving it to port. This changes RRS 30.1.
  Unquote
  
  Hope this is usefull.
  
  
  Hans Vengberg Today 14:36
• Time Limit Expired (TLE)
  in my opinion, is not a suitable answer in such circumstance. However, TLE encourages boats to start and make every effort to complete, which is correct for small single fleets.
   https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/2021AppendixLG28112020-[26802].pdf golf hit
  Blackwell Gerald Today 08:41
• Rule 18,2 (e) Reasonable Doubt
  Thanks again Tim and all, I have it all well in perspective now - and application subtleties etc as Michael points out...
  John Quirk Yesterday 01:48
• Mark-Room and Room to Pass an Obstruction who wins.
  > OR the converse: that thing is NOT blocking my path, it's NOT an
  > obstruction. A simple truth.
  
  I fear I disagree. An obstruction is an object, that just is. Whether or not its actively obstructing (or impeding would be an alternate word) is a separate issue in standard english. I don't much like the definition, and I think one measured in boat's beam could be better, but I am definitely in favour of the universal definition. Don't want boats having to agree whether its an obstruction or not. 
  
  Which leads us neatly on to the second half. Is the object obstructing, ie should RRS19 be active. We could say obstructing, or impeding, or influencing course. Or we could just use adjacency. Personally I like adjacency, because, again, there's less of a matter of opinion about it. So we could say adjacent to the obstruction, but 'at the obstruction' is simpler language and uses shorter words. A good thing.
  
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  Ok so much for that, but lets go back to the scenario. Is there a problem with the rules that needs fixing? Clearly as we've spent some pages pin dancing and logic chopping there is an issue, but I very greatly doubt it comes up often enough, unlike the mirror situation where its a continuing obstruction, that we need a rewrite. A paragraph in the continuing obstruction case should be enough. So what? I don't much like rules turning on and off or overuling another. Complexity again. Both rules active works well enough provided a case provides a bit of clarity. 
  
  It all comes down, for what my opinion is worth, to a single issue. If two boats both have a claim for room to a gap only one will fit through what happens? We have two interpretations, and each has arguments in favour.
  
   One is to say that noone goes through, both boats must go outside both objects. The virtue of this one is that its a simple interpretation and it matches the situation when neither object is a mark. 
  
  The other is to take what I call Angelo's interpretation , that required room includes room to give the other boat room, and if there isn't space to do that RRS19 turns off and only 18 is left. The logic of this is somewhat convoluted which I don't really like, but logically perhaps purer. Also the end result is the one most would see as fairer. ROW gets to round the mark and sail her desired course.Give way must go round or waIt. This is also a better match to the continuing obstruction case.
  
  Personally I wouldn't have a problem with either. 
  
  That leaves us with the capsized boat scenarios. I sailed skiff types, its familiar territory. I can't get excited about this. In practice if someone p****s it in in front of you rules are out of the window, its just a question of trying to find a gap you can get through without hitting anything.
  Jim Champ Fri 04:19

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