Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

RRS 41 (c) OUTSIDE HELP and CASE 120 in Open Waters Racing

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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
The subject provisions determine that ‘freely’ (not a defined term) is to be used the same as ‘free’ – which in fact is usually quite a separate word and in itself emphasis ‘costlessness’ (the former word usage does not necessarily do so)

1. As a racing boat owner, for example, we: before a race, with (boat & crew)  safety in mind, use ‘PredictWind’ and it’s weather-course modelling function (a freely available but subscription product), but once racing switch to ‘Windy’ and ‘Windguru’ (free versions); and we would use (subscription) PredictWind often right up to the time-day of registration & skippers briefing but before the given race start - preparatory signal given (which time we deem to be competing but not racing (?)), thereafter we switch to free products for the entire race. Is this a valid interpretation?
 
2. Assuming the above to be the case, is this RRS 41 provision really viable for the future (and also considering safety obligations and ‘duty of care’ like legislations etc) – an example of this is: on our youth racing boat we have recently ordered a (subscription) PredicWind AI DataHub® (a powerful modelling tool for a given boat – progressively ‘learning’ the boat at hand and to provide greater safety)? 

Created: Yesterday 04:08

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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
John Q: we had a thread that touches on this topic here: https://www.racingrulesofsailing.org/posts/2364-41-c-outside-help
Created: Yesterday 04:09
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Thank you Angelo, and I will troll through that link-thread
Created: Yesterday 05:07
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Had a good look at the thread that you provided thanks Angelo and seems to cover a lot of the bases of my posting above:
Question 1: seems like with what we are actually doing, with our youth team approach, we are just on the 'right side of the law' so to speak (with the current Rule & Case).
Question 2: given safety etc concerns, and positive technology advancements, would it not better in the future to substitue 'freely' with 'publically' available ('for open water or offshore ocean racing, publically and readily available in the marketplace or such like (ie not custom platforms))?

Created: Yesterday 10:48
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Michael Butterfield
Seems you are ok.

The cut off is the preparatory signal, when you start racing.
Created: Yesterday 17:02
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
Thanks - yes, we figured so (and we often announce to Orgainsers in meetings as well that this is how we are handling it). Of course, the corollary to this during racing is that the lads aboard use subscription cell phones or Starlink for wifi to access the free versions of Windy and Windguru (and we have a notebook / nav station aboard that has annual sunscription operating systems etc)...
Created: Today 01:06
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