A mark is laid with excessive line which lies just below the surface and catches the centreboard of the first two boats allowing other boats to catch and pass them. Other boats then sail a bit wider and avoid catching the line.
Can this be considered 'an error of the RC'? Do the two boats meet the requirements to be awarded redress?
RYA 1989/10
Redress may be given for a race committee's failure to provide suitably equipped marks.
In cases involving errors by the race committee, it is a good principle that any doubts be resolved in favour of the competitor.
SUMMARY OF THE FACTS
The outer limit mark of the finishing line was attached by cordage of a semi-floating variety which was too long when used ins hallow areas. The excess was usually tied into a bunch but it became loose.
It produced an underwater hazard floating two to three yards to leeward of the mark and, with a flood tide, on the course side of the finishing line. It was not visible to an approaching boat and several boats were caught in this tangle, hit the mark, took a one-turn penalty and re-crossed the line. Only one boat,
Instant Sunshine, requested redress, as the scores of the others were not affected. The protest committee, refusing redress, stated that the mark and ground tackle were the equipment used regularly as a finishing mark in that area and that the length and type of warp was not unreasonable in the circumstances.
Instan tSunshine appealed.
DECISION
Instant Sunshine’s appeal is upheld, and she is to be re-instated in her position when she first crossed the finishing line.
Marks are laid for the benefit of competing boats and it is important that ground tackle be arranged to minimise possibility of being fouled by the boats.
In cases involving errors by the race committee, it is a good principle that any doubts be resolved in favour of the competitor.
And so does Australian Sailing
2025-04 Sail Port Stephens Matador vs PC-3 pdf
Thank you
When the protest committee decides that a boat is entitled to redress under Rule 62, it shall make as fair an arrangement as possible for all boats affected, whether or not they asked for redress (RRS 64.2).
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The key words here are 'decides that a boat is entitled to redress'. To be entitled to redress a boat is required to meet the requirements of 61(b). This includes passing the 'through no fault of her own' test. A boat that is aware of a problem, in this case the floating rope, but runs into it anyway does not pass this test imo.
If you should have been aware of the problem, then there is some fault of your own, so no redress.
Watch though for reasonable marklaying, and the boat that almost hits the mark, so is excessivly close, catches the mark and claims redress.
These boats, should have redress refused.
Unbeknownst to us, the current pushed the float upwind, creating a loop of line that lurked just below the surface. The 2nd place boat snagged the loop with their T-foil rudder. They pulled the slack out of the line until it reached the kellet weight (a window sash weight). The weight flipped up and over the T-foil, bringing the boat to an abrupt stop. The "T" broke off in the process of freeing them.
They were awarded redress. Dave Perry was on the jury. I don't put anchors on floats anymore.
Here in Brazil we have two keelboat classes, that have many issues with this situation, and always is given redress, unless if rule 31 is broken at the same time.
Most of the Race Officers that do races with these classes already knows this matter and normally inform their marklayers to be aware of this, and use always weights near to the the marks tackle and have the right line lenght related to the depth where the mark is laid.
What rule says that sailors must act in a seamanlike way?
What rule says that a race committee must act in a seamanlike way?
A definition doesn't say a boat shall do anything.
You may not pass the no fault test especially on later laps.
What rule says that a race committee must act in a seamanlike way?
The answer to your question lies in the definition of the word 'improper'.
Improper has 3 meanings:
- dishonest and against a law or a rule;
- unsuitable or not correct for a particular use or occasion:
- related to sex in a way that is rude or socially unacceptable.
Laying a mark so that boats cannot round it without fouling the anchor line is unsuitable or not correct for that particular occasion. Therefore, it is an improper action of the race committee.
I can't see an imperative or the word seamanlike in that definition either.
In a nautical context 'seamanlike' refers to behaviour or actions that are suitable or correct for a particular use or occasion.
If the RC performs acts in a way that is unseamnlike or unsuitable or not correct for a particular use or occasion then that is an improper action - one of the conditions for redress.
I like it and using it i can think of some judgments that would have gone the other way.