Forum: The Racing Rules of Sailing

How to substitute recalls with starting penalties in NOR or SI

Reinhard Schanda
Nationality: Austria
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The definition of finish has been changed. Previously, it had required that a boat after starting, crosses the finishing line. Now, it only provides that a boat after her starting signal, crosses the finishing line.

According to Reason Nr. 3 of Submission 002-22, this change was made to enable the OA or the RC, to, for safety reasons, give OCS boats a starting penality instead of having them turn back to the starting line (as e.g. common in CIM classic regattas and others). The submission points out that this would not be possible if finishing was contingent upon starting and both definitions were unchangeable by the NoR and SI.

This purpose is indeed achieved if a boat can finish without having started (according to the definition start). At first glance this change could make it unneccesary to further use test rule DR21-01 (Alternative Starting Penalty) to achieve that desired result. 

However, the definition sail the course now includes the explicit new requirement that a boat starts. So, a boat that is OCS at her starting signal, can finish, but cannot sail the course.

But: The rule to sail the course (according to RRS 28) can be changed by NoR or SI. Also RRS 29 (recalls) can be changed. Also A5.1(a) which provides that a boat that did not sail the course shall be scored NSC can be changed. Obviously, if a boat did not sail the course because she e.g. missed a mark, she should still be scored NSC. A5.1(a) therefore cannot just be deleted, but needs to by amended. The change to A5.1(a) could state that an OCS boat, instead of being scored NSC, receives a starting penalty. 

Do we therefore still need test rule DR21-01, or can we achieve the desired result by changing RRS 28, 29 and A5.1(a)?


Created: Yesterday 17:19

Comments

John Porter
Nationality: United States
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I'm pretty sure you want DR21-01. You can't change definition of start without it. 
Created: Yesterday 17:28
Reinhard Schanda
Nationality: Austria
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I do not suggest to change the definition start, and I do not think that this is necessary to achieve the desired result. I suggest to only change RRS 28, 29 and A5.1(a). 
Created: Yesterday 17:42
John Porter
Nationality: United States
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I think you can get there, but you create a MUCH harder to understand method to get there. If you post DR21-01 to the notice board and then incorporate it in your NOR or SIs, people will understand what you're trying to do.

Further, I think changing the definition of start as they have in DR21-01 covers you from issues where people could be over the line by an amount that exceeds the automatic penalty.


Created: Yesterday 17:53
Kett Cummins
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I have to disagree with John.  For the typical application of this rule change, the language below is much simpler than DR21-01...

Suggested NOR/SI rule:
"A boat scored as OCS shall have xx minutes added to her corrected time and occupy the corresponding finishing place.  For safety, OCS boats shall not restart and the time penalty shall stand.  This changes RRS 28.1, 28.2 and 29.1."

Note: If you want to allow boats the ability to clear their OCS by restarting, then omit the second sentence and leave 28.2 & 29.1 unchanged.

The point of RRS A5.1 is to empower the RC to score a boat without a hearing, not to specify the penalty.  The 'accorded' penalties - whatever they may be - are specified by other rules.  Thus, I don't believe A5.1 is changed in this case.
Created: Yesterday 19:09
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