Forum: Race Committee & Race Management

Class breaks in handicap racing

Jonah Zimmerman
Nationality: United States
I do a lot of handicap (PHRF) racing and a common post-race discussion topic is how the particular wind + sea state conditions favored some boats over others within our class. Usually that's used as an excuse for why we got beaten but I was curious if this were ever taken to extremes, could it be used as grounds to request redress? For example if a race has low attendance then the PHRF classes may have a wide variety of boats, with some bigger cruising boats and smaller sportboats. In that case there are definitely conditions where one style of boat would have a significant advantage. It seems like the disadvantaged boats would have their scores made significantly worse through no fault of their own thus meeting the condition for redress under 61.4b. However I think one would have to argue that the particular class breaks are an improper action by the organizers under 61.4b1. Could such an argument ever have merit?
Created: Today 06:18

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Michael Butterfield
No, this is just the limitation of handicap racing. 

It would have been in the. Nor and the boat chose to enter. So fault? 
Created: Today 07:13
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
I suppose it would be possible for a sufficiently biased RC to engineer class splits as to favour individual boats or classes, even more so if course selection and handicaps were brought into the mix. I do recall an incident where an RO said, when queried about a bizarrely penal handicap my class had been given for an event, stating that he had heard we had won everything at a major event a few miles away, and didn't want it happening at his club. What made this particularly amusing was that the style of course set for the first event particularly favoured our boats, and the style of course for this gentleman's event completely precluded such a happening.

I suppose if the bias were malicious and sufficiently egregious and blatant, it might just shade into misconduct under RRS69, although it seems a stretch. Maybe if there were significant cash prizes. But otherwise I agree with Michael, this is the nature of the game. Every -or at least most- dog has its day. Its not an improper action to set class splits or even courses that favour some boats over others for handicap events, indeed its pretty much impossible to avoid. 
Created: Today 07:47
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Michael Butterfield
Rrs 69 is against a competitoror suoport person, not a raceofficial. 
Created: Today 08:16
Kirsteen Donaldson
I'm not familiar with PHRF but I think IRC is a similar system, classifying a broad range of cruising and racing ballasted monohull keel boats for competition by providing ratings comprising single figure allowances based on time.  It provides the following guidance to race management.  "With the ever-increasing range of boat types racing under IRC, it is inevitable that courses and conditions will affect race results. Race Committees can minimise these effects by considering carefully the types of courses set. Conditions are beyond the control of a race committee, but even then course location may be significant. ... Noting also that a balance of course types is a fundamental part of fair yacht racing, it is strongly recommended that race committees should set a variety of courses. For IRC regional or national championships this should be stipulated as a requirement."  There  is more detailed comment in Section 5 of IRC Race Management 
As both a competitor under IRC and race official, I have no issue with conditions in some races favouring one type of boat over another, but in a series running over the course of a year, expect that every boat will have its day, provided the race official follows the guidance of setting a variety of courses. 
What can be an issue is the safety argument: on a day with marginal conditions, heavy boats could compete safely and do well but the race organisers abandon races because it is perceived to be unsafe for light boats (though some do cope well), and in light conditions, the light boats are favoured.  

Created: Today 09:17
Tim OConnell
Nationality: Canada
You'll need to race under ORC in order to use a boat's polars plus have the Rc use the right scoring option in order to more fairly level the playing field. If you sign up to race under a flawed/simplistic , one-number handicap system you accept its inherent limitations.
Created: Today 10:55
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John Quirk
Nationality: New Zealand
With the essence of the question really being PHRS handicaps (or otherwise handicapping or rating systems for that matter), as wind and current changes are really ‘par for the course’, I can’t myself see any avenue in the RRS for a given protest committee to engage in such a protest and it would be found as ‘invalid’. Presumably, the boat owners were prior aware of their handicap and thus decided whether to race or not (RRS 3). 

Any further reviews or challenges by a boat owner over their given handicap must surely be directed to the applicable Authority and organisers.

As a matter of aligned interest, I have personally witnessed an inter-club-regions regatta recently here in the Philippines (PY handicapping): when the NOR was first issued – followed later by the SI document, it stated four (4) separate classes (Racing. Cruiser-Racer, Classic Cruisers and Multihulls), but due to inclement weather external to the venue, and boats stuck back in those ports, at the last-minute the organisers combined the limited standing boats into a single mixed-fleet (all four classes combined) and a ‘quick-fire’ amendment was issued accordingly. All standing-competing boats agreed to continue to race. As the NOR allowed for it, and in the spirit of things, there were some handicap adjustments made on the second day by the RM-RO (some systems like SailSys can even do such adjustments automatically – up to preset percentage ranges), based on the performances from the first day. No protests on that matter were raised.

For PHRS (and most handicap or rating systems really), the published intent ([representations]} is generally one of: “PHRF is a performance handicapping system for keelboats designed to facilitate open and fair competition between boats…” and “…the handicapper must always favor the fleet and not an individual boat. The theory being: If you under handicap a boat, one boat suffers. If you over handicap a boat, the whole fleet suffers.”. Certainly, you could take your case to those Authorities or organisers if you feel at any time that those ‘foundation principles’ are being breached.

Created: Today 12:25
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Michael Butterfield
How can you trust orc when it fancy system, fails and they apply penalties to stop a boat winning, this an avuse.
Created: Today 12:55
Jim Champ
Nationality: United Kingdom
Arguably that's why you can trust it: if the rule fails they fix it.

There's an inherent contradiction in all these measurement handicapping rules which the administrators seem reluctant to acknowledge in public. The whole point of a measurement handicap rule is that a fast boat is handicapped so that it races equally with a slow boat. And by and large it says in such rules that if something unexpected comes along they are allowed, even required, to deliver up a correction more or less immediately. But the contradiction is that a subset of owners and designers (maybe not so much the rule writers) want the rule to encourage development and innovation, and they see it as a kind of competition between designers and rule writers to find loopholes, and if they find a loophole they should be allowed to exploit it, at least until the end of the season. But if the rule administrators are doing their job "perfectly" then loopholes would be plugged as soon as theboat is measured, let along raced. And plugging loopholes immediately is in the best interests of the majority of the fleet, who've signed up for fair handicaps.This row when someone comes up with a loophole that's promptly stamped on happens time and time again, and its because the administrators are always seeking to make their rules all things to all men and it just can't be done.
Created: Today 14:10
Sue Reilly
And you think that PHRF is based on reality.  The same can be said about PHRF committees.  
Created: Today 16:13
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
I've got a bit of a twist to offer.  Appx J1.1(4) states ...

"The NOR shall include .. (4) the classes to race, any handicap or rating system that will be used and the classes to which it will apply, conditions of entry and any restrictions on entries;"

Here in the Chesapeake Bay, PHRF is controlled by PHRF of the Chesapeake and the PHRF-splits are predetermined at the start of each season. Therefore, a boat knows what PHRF-fleet they will be racing in at the time of entry.  I would argue that is a key piece of information in the "decision to race". 

Now, it is common for the NOR to state that fleets might be combined depending upon number of entries.  That is very common in the PHRF B/C fleets as those numbers have dwindled over the past 20 years.  Often an NOR will state this possibility. 

So, IMO, if an OA intends that the RC will make PHRF-splits on-the-fly that differ than the established region splits ... then the NOR should have a statement that says exactly that ... and give a time/date that this information will be posted so that a boat can decide whether or not to compete. In doing so, I would suggest a statement added to such an NOR, "This changes Appx J1.1(4)."

PS:  In other words ... it's a bit meaningless to state that PHRF A, B classes are invited to enter if the split between them or the rating-range they encompass is undefined or subject to last-min change. 
Created: Today 13:26
Greg Dargavel
With an apology to those who I may offend. As a regular PHRF racer, in response to the original question: No, Sh*t happens.
Created: Today 15:11
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Angelo Guarino
Forum Moderator
Nationality: United States
Greg .. No doubt that s-happens .. like conditions on the race course etc.  But doesn't a boat have an entitlement to know in what "class" she will be racing when she enters?

For instance .. the AYC Wed Night Series has a single PHRF class ... but that is how it is described in the NOR.  Other NOR's will list PHRF A, B/C for instance ... where others will have PHRF A1, A2/A3, PHRF B/C ... indicating separate fleet for A1, but combined A2/A3 and B/C PHRF fleets (and no D-fleet). 

These distinctions are meaningless if the line between them and their bounds can be changed. 

Not all RC improper actions/omissions are redressable ... but I do think an OA/RC can fail to meet the requirements of J1.1(4) if they don't carefully (and peoperly) spell out what's going to happen with the fleet definitions and assignments.  
Created: Today 15:56
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